Joakim Quensel skrev:
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> Rippa skrev:
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> > Regga dig på det här forumet och ställ
> > frågorna där. Jag lovar att du kommer få
> många
> > initierade svar. Finns de som har cykling o
> doping
> > som specialitet där oxå:
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http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/
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> Äh det där forumet orkar jag inte besöka igen.
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> Var inne och läste där en gång och man blev ju
> bara helt uppgiven liksom...
> Om jag ska diskutera doping (vilket man tyvärr
> alltför ofta kommer in på när man pratar
> proffscykling) så gör jag det hellre med de som
> är mot doping!
Ja ja, men om du nu vill ha fakta så lär nog chansen vara större att du får "rätt" svar där. Så här t.e.x
Från REALGAINS:
"CYCLES for fighters, track and endurance
FIGHTERS....boxers, kick boxers and MMA fighters.
You want strength and some mass but little weight and very little bloat. So you do not want to use test or steroids like d-bol that convert to estrogen. And you want to be quite moderate in doses used.
Also, too much weight in muscle tissue and water will reduce your aerobic capacity...see below... endurance cycle, for reason. Also the water retention from aromatizing gear will cause crippling pumps in the low back and calves.
Tren 50mg per day for 6 weeks.
Clomid 3 days after tren at 300mg on day one and then 50 per day for 4 weeks.
BONUS....Best to use HCG at 500iu's per day twice per week(Sat and Sun) either IM or sub Q in the belly fat. This will prevent testicular atrophy. Normal sized nuts post cycle means better responce to LH from the pituitary and quicker natural normalization.
Winstrol 50 mg per day IM .
Clomid as above but the day after the last shot.
HCG as above as a bonus.
SPRINTERS & TRACK MEN....cycles as above.
ENDURANCE MEN...runners, triathletes, cyclists
You do not want to add muscle mass, unless you are a real toothpick. If you need to gain some mass then train with weights 2-3 times per week without roids or testosterone.
ANY weight, including muscle mass above the ideal level, which is not much at all for endurance sports, will reduce VO2 max and also make hill work much more difficult and slow.
VO2 max is increased with weight LOSS and that includes muscle mass loss TO A POINT. Lance Armstrong goes froma very lean 170 at 5'10"(6% BF) to an unreal toothpick lean 3% BF at 158 for the Tour de France...his VO2 max goes up with this weight loss even though he losses a bit of muscle. Loose too much muscle and VO2 max will decline so you have to be very careful here.
You want to optimize recovery from hard sessions like intervals and this is the main reason you might consider taking testosterone.
You want to minimize muscle mass loss once you get to that critical very lean stage. This is also a good reason to take test.
Testosterone will be tested in some races but if your level is not above 1000ng/dl then you will be fine.
Take test cyp or enanthate at small doses....enough to boost you into the upper normal range or no more than 800-1000ng/dl. This will help recovery and prevent muscle tissue loss.
The dose will likely be about 300mg per week injecting 150 mg twice per week. Start at 300 and then after a few weeks get your T level tested and go from there.
Have nolva on hand just in case having a T level in the high normal range starts to cayse gyno(itchy nipples) ake 20mg per day if this happens.
Use test for only about 3 months at a time and during the racing season only. It is best to use HCG as mentioned above.
Clomid as above. YES 300mg/week will shut down your own T production.
If you use too much test you will gain water weight and muscle weight and this will hinder you....you will also get severe pumps in the calves and low back from the water retention and this can cripple you in a run or on the bike."